tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7525941061387824183.post4070169246918539760..comments2024-02-20T15:17:27.759-05:00Comments on Concrete Classroom: #sbar rejectedconcretekaxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03817234454056267050noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7525941061387824183.post-76721007202544701002011-02-25T08:48:45.001-05:002011-02-25T08:48:45.001-05:00For some reason, Mike, Blogger is blocking comment...For some reason, Mike, Blogger is blocking comments on my sbar post, so I can't respond there!<br /><br />If parents received no feedback from my class I would actually be offended! There's nothing worse than not be considered 'worthy enough' for your class to be part of the report system. <br /><br />That said, I wish that my reports could be more narrative since what I do is not always quantifiable. <br /><br />As for the ISTE NETS, the fact that they're vague is great. I use them to organize the skills and concepts that I teach in a way that helps students master each standard.<br /><br />I don't know if other tech teachers use SBAR, but I think more specialists should.mshertzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02995665815087186953noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7525941061387824183.post-44661696676594697682011-02-21T10:37:39.636-05:002011-02-21T10:37:39.636-05:00Mike,
Like others have already said, SBAR can be ...Mike,<br /><br />Like others have already said, SBAR can be used for process, not just content.<br /><br />You might find it helpful to look at the <a href="http://paer.rutgers.edu/ScientificAbilities/Rubrics/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">Scientific Abilities rubrics</a> designed by the Physics Education Research group at Rutgers. Within the rubrics, there are process standards such as:<br /><br /><i>Is able to think and evaluate different possibilities when solving a problem.<br /><br />Is able to evaluate another person’s problem solution or conceptual claim by direct comparison with their own solution or conceptual understanding<br /><br />Is able to describe how to minimize experimental uncertainty and actually do it<br /><br />Is able to communicate the details of an experimental procedure clearly and completely</i><br /><br />While these are for science, I assume analagous standards exist for engineering, design, and art?Frank Noschesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16584042587600632345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7525941061387824183.post-63148921501284369602011-02-20T22:59:09.425-05:002011-02-20T22:59:09.425-05:00Standards-based assessment & reporting is just...Standards-based assessment & reporting is just that. Providing feedback to students based on pre-determined standards. In some implementations, it is tied to grades (because they're required by the district) and it others, only the narratives or lykert scale is reported. Whether or not letter grades or numbers are tied to the standards, I think it makes sense to provide explicit feedback to students based on the intended standards. <br /><br />"Good job" is much less effective than "You're doing a nice job thinking through the process of ______ here" which is even less effective than "Your ability to think through _________ is at an extremely high level." The last feedback phrase mentioned becomes even more valuable to a student when he or she realizes that their work is not as high as it could or should be related to the expected level of work. This, too, is standards-based assessment & reporting. It is using standards to provide detailed feedback to the student. Is this the type of feedback you provide for your students, John?Matt Townsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15247211425347677596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7525941061387824183.post-46216177919503633342011-02-20T22:16:15.791-05:002011-02-20T22:16:15.791-05:00@John
I am not saying that sbar is not possible in...@John<br />I am not saying that sbar is not possible in my class, but rather that it is not the best system if I am given the opportunity to not grade at all. Of course either way I give personal feedback. <br /><br />I would be interested to see an example of sbar with process skills.concretekaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03817234454056267050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7525941061387824183.post-51104047097096581482011-02-20T20:59:20.462-05:002011-02-20T20:59:20.462-05:00I use an sbar framework in my class (all subjects)...I use an sbar framework in my class (all subjects), including our design and problem-solving. It's possible to assess problem-solving with a criteria (Is this new? How was it tested? What types of connections were made?) I used sbar last year with a very constructivist digital media class. <br /><br />It's possible to use sbar with process, concept attainment and skills. All of them work well in that framework; especially when given the opportunity to use authentic assessment and reflection. To me, it's much more realistic than using the traditional A-F system.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10956056168256756705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7525941061387824183.post-67628839718878727552011-02-20T20:10:55.934-05:002011-02-20T20:10:55.934-05:00@MaryBeth I am hoping for "my perfect world&q...@MaryBeth I am hoping for "my perfect world" in that I may be able to change my class to credit/no credit and hopefully eliminate almost all grades.<br /><br />@Chris I feel for you. You have to follow directives and I agree it shows a lack of trust.<br /><br />@Matt I have learning targets: critical thinking, problem solving, and collaboration. My class has structure to it, but it also has some freedom for student exploration. I give informal feedback as students work and the projects themselves give feedback. <br /><br />For example when they build Balsa Towers and test them for how much sand they can hold before breaking they get objective data on how good theirs was. It is not my opinion, but the field testing that determines the quality of their work.<br /><br />On the other hand they only build and test one tower. If their idea is awful, they still may learn alot through their failure and by observing their classmates' towers. I will not "punish" a student who works hard and attempts a design even if it is a terrible design.<br /><br />I am not really familiar with process standards so I can't comment on them.concretekaxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03817234454056267050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7525941061387824183.post-83307463788293198482011-02-20T19:06:56.797-05:002011-02-20T19:06:56.797-05:00Mike,
Is your difference in opinion the assessment...Mike,<br />Is your difference in opinion the assessment piece itself or *what* should be assessed? Plenty of literature out there states that classes should have clear learning targets. These can come in the form of process or content standards. Do process standards make more sense in your context?Matt Townsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15247211425347677596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7525941061387824183.post-25753715288819998662011-02-20T18:49:50.622-05:002011-02-20T18:49:50.622-05:00I have yet to read the other post or the comments....I have yet to read the other post or the comments. I too tech an Applied Tech class and it seems as though we have similar feelings about assessments. However, I'm being "asked" by admin to develop tests that my students will take. I could object, but at the end of the day, I get paid to do what they tell me to do. I wish I worked someplace where my knowledge about the things we teach would be valued more, but it seems my opinion about this matter little.Chris Eldredhttp://www.appliedtechonline.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7525941061387824183.post-17755424093096189432011-02-20T18:46:41.929-05:002011-02-20T18:46:41.929-05:00Thanks for continuing the conversation. I think we...Thanks for continuing the conversation. I think we are in agreement about grades. In my perfect world, I would not give grades at all. However, I feel that it is my job to ensure that my students leave me with certain skills and knowledge. These are my standards. If we do not have a goal or objective toward which we are working and I don't have a system for assessing whether my students have mastered the skill, task or goal, then I am not doing my job. These assessments, however, are mostly informal and based on observation. I see a place for Standards-Based (i.e. goal/objective/mastery-based) assessment, and agree that grades (letters, numbers, etc...) are not necessary for learning.mshertzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02995665815087186953noreply@blogger.com